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Sassy Brat · Apr 15, 2008, 11:18 AM // 11:18

As a guild leader It recently was brought to my attention a dear friend in-game who had been recruiting for his guild and is known not to "spam" local chat was indeed banned for spamming for 72 hours. My friend however was not the only case of this But another I know of also had the same issue.

As a guild leader/alliance leader of not one guild but two guilds I feel this is disguisting to the point local chat is yes, local/general discussion, Trade is for selling and buying. The point of any leader or officer recruiting in trade is pretty much useless regarding most have trade off 90% of the time Unless they are after or selling a item. It also Coudl have us recruiting Breeching teh Right to post there also and cause another "Banning" to appear.

And yes we have Search but How many actually even use search to get in guilds is pretty slim from my own experience, anyhow. After much discussion and Listening to a Variety of Leaders and officers of other guilds in game, I decided to come with this idea and place forward.

We'd really like to suggest a proposal for a channel for Guild Recruiting. This channel would be Strictly for advertisting guild with out expecting new members to pay there invite (Honestly thast be just cruel to a new Player anyway, and It be much nicer if us older players could support our new GWers) This channel would also allow those "Looking for a guild"

I believe with others this may make it fair and if a issue was to appear and a innocent guild recruiter gets reported when They may post there advertisment say approx. every 100 seconds or more, Each to there own Remember. This would so Clear up Local chat and The Question which hangs over heads of "Where do we recruit?" Isn't a lingering issue or concern of who's getting banned next.

I'm pretty sure as a former abuse staff member on another site, That Anet staff members have far better and bigger issues to ban an individual for 72 hours than a harmless Guildie Trying to get there guild to bloom, remember this is "Guildwars, Aren't we suppose to get in a guild? Or have a guild? .

Anyone else agree on this.

P.S Those that have had the 72 Ban for recruiting but been Done for "spamming" wish to stay anonymous and as stated to them I intend to keep it that way.

Insanctified · Apr 15, 2008, 11:25 AM // 11:25

/agree

That is a bit ridiculous. What's more ridiculous are the people who report those recruiting in town. Where else are they suppose to recruit? If only the mass had more common sense and a bit more manners -_-

~Insanctified

Ghostcell · Apr 15, 2008, 11:51 AM // 11:51

/signed

its something small yet it would make recruiting/searching for a guild much easier for those who are doing it.

also have a section under Search where it shows the guild searching chat messages

BigT · Apr 15, 2008, 12:03 PM // 12:03

/signed
as an officer who has had to recruit, it sucks, and this would make it suck slightly less

Ferret Deathsquad · Apr 15, 2008, 12:28 PM // 12:28

/signed

Like bigT said, Its had for us to recruit as officers if they are going to pull this. I had some idiot yell at me for spamming last last one I was trying to recruit. But on the other side of they coin I've seen people type one message five times in twenty seconds, which is overkill.

Kook~NBK~ · Apr 15, 2008, 12:40 PM // 12:40

I'm on the fence about this one. While it would be nice to have, I think a little prudence on the part of the recruiter would solve the problem.

A lot of the animosity towards guild recruiting messages in local comes from the fact that there are many recruiters out there who do spam it up. A common tactic is to repeat the recruitment message 2 or 3 times in quick succession and then waiting a minute or two to do it again. That, to me is still spamming. (I've yet to see someone so obnoxious about their recruiting that I've felt reporting them was neccessary. Partially because it doesn't bother me too much.)

Also, just because a person is reported for something does not mean they'll get banned/suspended for it. I've been reported once or twice by overly sensitive people - they said they reported me, anyways - and have not been hit with the ban stick yet.

I don't think anyone who is posting their recruiting message in a reasonable manner, ONCE every minute or so (That's how often I post my "WTB/WTS" messages and haven't had a problem) has to worry to much about getting a "time-out."

Horus · Apr 15, 2008, 01:09 PM // 13:09

What about implementation of a "guild/alliance recruiting/searching" NPC? dunno, just a random idea, but something like search, but a bit different:

for recruiting:
~requires guild name and guild tag
~automaticly/manualy add in number of ppl in guild(members/officers/leader)
~Guild description
~Guild allegiance
~Forum address(really not neccesary, but since they added link for Xunlai house, why not to add guild forums too? of course this is not really neccesary)
~Name of guild leader/person to contact

note: each guild can have only one such recruiting post(maybe even make it so that only guild leaders can do it?). Then make it easier how to search through it: split on kurzick/luxon guilds, then "search guild with 40/50/90+members", search by name/tag, etc. message would last for 24hours(more/less?). Player must pay 1platinum to make it?

Searching for guild(needed?):
~What kind of guild
~What allegiance
~Playing style/description

note: player must pay 100g(more?) to add such message.

Alliance recruiting:
~Allegiance
~Number of guilds in alliance
~Type of alliance
~Alliance description
~what kind of guilds needed
~Number of allegiance points

Looking for Alliance(needed?):
~Allegiance
~Number of members
~Number of allegiance points
~Guild description

Ok, no flame on this pls, maybe just add some opinion or something - it was idea that poped in my head while reading this topic.

Looking for guild/alliance probably isn't really needed as you can just search through recruiting ones. Guild recruiting could be added to all major cities(Kamadan, Kaineng and LA? maybe Ascalon and Shing Jey too for those newbies in need of a guild). Alliance recruiting could be one in HzH and one in Cavalon?

~Horus

MithranArkanere · Apr 15, 2008, 01:21 PM // 13:21

A system to search guilds based on some settings would be much better than a channel.

Passifis · Apr 15, 2008, 01:21 PM // 13:21

There is a guild recruiting channel now. If you open up the party panel by pressing p and then click on the drop down menu that says missions, you can select Guild and advertise your recruitment on there.

MithranArkanere · Apr 15, 2008, 01:39 PM // 13:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passifis

There is a guild recruiting channel now. If you open up the party panel by pressing p and then click on the drop down menu that says missions, you can select Guild and advertise your recruitment on there.

But that is not a channel, is a party panel section. Newbies usually not even know about that panel, and new players are the most recruited ones.

Horus · Apr 15, 2008, 01:40 PM // 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passifis

There is a guild recruiting channel now. If you open up the party panel by pressing p and then click on the drop down menu that says missions, you can select Guild and advertise your recruitment on there.

didn't try it yet, but i assme it's same as trading... means really not enough space to actually write something in there - hardly enough space to add name + tag of guild

pumpkin pie · Apr 15, 2008, 03:32 PM // 15:32

I think there should be a guild roster in the game. like when you hit "f10" it brings up the help roster, instead you get the guild roster, guild leader will then require to write a short history of their guild + what type of players they are looking for + what kind of guild they are, ie: PvP, PvE etc. players who are looking for guild can check out the roster and apply accordingly.

It is true sometime that Guild Recruitments do become a spam when they repeat 10 times within a time frame of 3 minutes. Be considerate and reasonable, withing that 3 minutes, Posting the recruitments repeatedly would be consider spam, and annoying to other players, besides, a guild leader who spam the local chat screen does not make their guild one bit more feasible.

Sassy Brat · Apr 15, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passifis

There is a guild recruiting channel now. If you open up the party panel by pressing p and then click on the drop down menu that says missions, you can select Guild and advertise your recruitment on there.

Actually Yes we do have that but also this is in the "search" I was mentioning and even now not many even use it and/or You can't place much info Regarding guild. Its amazing how Some Won't botherw ith a guild with "looking for members" and one who hs info regarding hall, Merchants, site, Voice IP software ETC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

I think there should be a guild roster in the game. like when you hit "f10" it brings up the help roster, instead you get the guild roster, guild leader will then require to write a short history of their guild + what type of players they are looking for + what kind of guild they are, ie: PvP, PvE etc. players who are looking for guild can check out the roster and apply accordingly.

It is true sometime that Guild Recruitments do become a spam when they repeat 10 times within a time frame of 3 minutes. Be considerate and reasonable, withing that 3 minutes, Posting the recruitments repeatedly would be consider spam, and annoying to other players, besides, a guild leader who spam the local chat screen does not make their guild one bit more feasible.

yeah but even a new player doesn't release About teh f10 key, and with many pulling teh press Alt f4 to get Blah blah When one Does that Then Telling them somthing that is "actually" helpful doesn't get a good respondance.

And yes some do spam Don't have me mistaken but also These is a flood prevent for the amount you exceed also. And your'll find its the average guy/girl who been playing less than most and Thinks its kewl to go make a guild not realising teh expense that does follow with creating a guild up along with teh time To recruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by guardian of dragon temple

What about implementation of a "guild/alliance recruiting/searching" NPC?

Even this Idea is an Option is also kewl Totally support it also, Either way Us recruiters/guildies need something

Edited by Celestial Beaver: Please use the button next time, rather than triple posting.

BlackSephir · Apr 15, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

/signed If you're recruiting, go say it somewhere where people care.
Nobody cares that "Light Warriors [Good]" is recruiting 12 years old with fow armour.

Artorius.Maximus · Apr 15, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

I really think that people getting banned for recruiting is not the correct response by the Anet Team, but that is not for me to decide. I guess if they do feel the need to ban for spamming guild recruitment in local chat, then they need to add a better way to recruit (channel, npc, something).

The party search window is definitely not adequate for recruiting for a guild. It is barely good enough to trade items. It isn't very useful for recruiting party members for a mission either due to not being able to say more than about 40 characters in the message.

/signed for some type of fix

Edit: I like zamial's idea (next post, #18) for this. I must agree it will never happen, but I still like it.

Edit (again):

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

I am not sure if this would work or not as most don't know what guild to join.you don't even know who you are getting it could be a hopper as a Leader myself i got plenty of those.What would be best is something on the official site for guild recruitment and database of active guilds.

There are tons of Guilds in this game some being a 1 Man guild or 2 man etc,etc.There use to be in G Panel a place where you could ask if any where looking for a guild.This was back in beta.I would prefer to screen my new recruits before they join as I have had my share of leavers.For instance I need 15 more recruits for those that have been offline for over a month.I will then kick those who have been offline that long.

It might not be a bad idea but I don't know how effective it would be at retaining them.

I see your point on the how do you know what you are getting for members, but for a PvE based guild the question really ends up being how much does it really matter. Granted I either H/H everything and/or work with my wife and 6 heroes so I hardly ever work with many of my guildies (just under 70 in guild). I understand for some of the elite GvG/HA guilds that tryouts are conducted to see who they feel they can train to work in their team. For many PvE guilds, it is just a matter of who is friendly to play with and doesn't beg for too many items (which I will gladly just kick for).

zamial · Apr 15, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

The solution which will never come.

In every town and guildhall add in a NPC Guild Crier.

The Guild crier will ring a bell and say(like a drunk emote) "Here ye, Here ye". When the crier is spoken to it will list through multiple search features to include: Name, size of alliance, size of guild, guild rating, mostly pvp/pve, maybe server(American, Europe, etc).
When a guild is selected. It will bring up a brief description and requirements to join.
Then it will bring up an application to join form. Form gets filled out and summited. Only 1 form per account per guild.
If a guild is full it is automatically removed from recruiting status.

-Then-

The Guild crier in the guild hall will offer the recruiting yes/no button and ask for info to match above, when there are no forms it will stand there quietly. When a form comes in it will ring a bell and say "Recruits for the Guild". When spoken to it will give the form(s) to an officer or leader to view, then fall silent again. The form will have an accept/deny (reason optional) button. If accept the 100 gold is removed from the officers/leaders account. If deny a message appears to the player, like a guild announcement. When a player is accepted into a guild ALL other forms for that players account are erased.

-aaaannnnnnddddd Then-

Ban every last "my guild is recruiting" in chat message's account.

Age · Apr 15, 2008, 10:30 PM // 22:30

I am not sure if this would work or not as most don't know what guild to join.you don't even know who you are getting it could be a hopper as a Leader myself i got plenty of those.What would be best is something on the official site for guild recruitment and database of active guilds.

There are tons of Guilds in this game some being a 1 Man guild or 2 man etc,etc.There use to be in G Panel a place where you could ask if any where looking for a guild.This was back in beta.I would prefer to screen my new recruits before they join as I have had my share of leavers.For instance I need 15 more recruits for those that have been offline for over a month.I will then kick those who have been offline that long.

It might not be a bad idea but I don't know how effective it would be at retaining them.

freaky naughty · Apr 16, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

/signed, there's another thread about the same thing.

47_MasoN_47 · Apr 16, 2008, 06:28 AM // 06:28

/signed. This was one of the things I mentioned in the thread I posted a few minutes ago about a few channels that I think should be added.

Fear Me! · Apr 16, 2008, 07:37 AM // 07:37

/notsigned. Boosting the population of your guild is not pending open invites to complete strangers via chat spams. Despite the norm of how recruiting has become, you're supposed to pug, yes pug. Party with the strangers, and if you like them enough, invite them into your guild. The ease of guildhall sigils has caused this behaviour, and asking for a recruiting channel will only compound, not solve this problem.